British Snoring & Sleep Apnoea Association


Helping You To Stop Snoring Today


Post new topicReply to topic  [ 121 posts ]  Page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 ... 9  Next
Author Message
 Post subject: Re: Mac Journal 05-04-2009 to 31-05- 2009
PostPosted: Wed May 27, 2009 11:58 am 
Offline
Major General Snorer

Joined: Sun Nov 23, 2008 12:15 pm
Posts: 999
mac

I fully believe people have out of body experiences, in fact there is some research in psychiatry, it is all about a coping mechanism. That experience may also lead to another out look onto life istelf. In your case death or near to death experience would have caused it.

My wife like you had a similar experience after the birth of first child, she heamoraged and for some god for saken reason I found mys self arguing with the midwife to raise foot of bed, eventualy a nursing assistant asked a sister from neighbouring ward, did the usual crash call and things happened.

Ironic on her experience she saw my recently deceased pareants beckoning for her to go back to herself and child. My son to this day says he knew my paraents, yet both were dead 6 months before he came about.

I also believe those that dismiss it are just too narrow minded to want to accept there are stronger forces in life than man alone.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Mac Journal 05-04-2009 to 31-05- 2009
PostPosted: Wed May 27, 2009 1:23 pm 
Offline
Sergeant Snorer

Joined: Wed Sep 10, 2008 4:35 pm
Posts: 35
Location: Bedford
Hi Mac, my dad has had COPD for about 10 years now and for all that time he has had a 'nippy' machine. I think that it is a CPAP machine and along with helping him breathe, he also has oxygen attached. He goes to Addenbrooks hospital every 6 months for a sleepover and to have his levels monitored. Maybe with reduced lung capacity your machine is set too high?? My my dads health has increased since he started his therapy.
I hope that you find your way through this and I'm sure that you will.

good luck Gail


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Mac Journal 05-04-2009 to 31-05- 2009
PostPosted: Thu May 28, 2009 8:16 am 
Offline
Major General Snorer

Joined: Sun Nov 23, 2008 12:15 pm
Posts: 999
The biggest thing I got from it, was sizes of plates/portions of food, about 3 years ago I went crazy with measuring sizes of our dinner plates, after several of our old ones, were too large to fit into the new dishwasher. But if you go out to buy new ones, they do not mention size so found myself taking a tape measure, one shop keeper thought I was mad and could not accept there was a link.

As a hobby I keep and now breed fish, I found they often only grow to dimentions of the pond/tank, larger the size of habitat the larger the fish will grow. Yet the issue with regards to high protein, reminded me of the Atkins diet, yet he died relatively young at 62 I think and from cholestrol issues affecting his heart and lungs. When his book was being pushed I also remember a concern by the BMA regarding internal organ damage due to excess of protein, as what protein our body cannot use, it often gets turned into fat anyway.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Mac Journal 05-04-2009 to 31-05- 2009
PostPosted: Mon Jun 01, 2009 8:04 am 
Offline
Major General Snorer

Joined: Sun Nov 23, 2008 12:15 pm
Posts: 999
mac

Good to see you continue to persevere with cpap, and yes the cpap for me was the turning point for my failing health over several years. In your case though, remember your copd and cardiac arythmia problems, although I would not be surprised if the latter is much more settled once your oxygen levels are improved. my weight now is 95kg, compaered with 105 when being disgnosed in October 2008. If I am to be honest it has fluctuated before and first became conscious of it as early as 1964. Upto 1997 I use to run a lot and when I did the London Marathon I weighed 87 kg,s yet often was remarked upon by several clinicians of being fat, although I know my cardio system was probably much better than theirs.

Me now well I know I feel smaller, although seem to think look the same, but my GP smiles and says your shape is changing Len, but weight may not change a lot. About 4 years ago I tried the gymn and could not get into it found it too tiring, and even after 3 months everything was an effort, yet this time seems no effort at all. I am back into running again although on a treadmill at 9-0km,s for 35 minutes seems a breeze, although I am aware my upper body muscle stature does need attention.

I cannot say I think much of the BMI as everybody seems to promote, as the science behind it is more for under weight, and is definately a good tool for assessing anorexia, but if used with muscle density, or bigger boned statured persons, it is not very reliable. Sadly the local nhs trust has already been taken to court over this issue when using it to admit a sussex chap with very high bmi using the mental health act, sadly he died before anymore fuss could be made, but lack of anyother jsut pushes the same one.

We in UK and America are consumed with weight/fat for control of ever spireling cardio pulmonary problems, along with diabetus, yet our mediteranean neighbours consume much higher levels of fat than us with less of a problem, that suggets to me it is probably more down to the mixture of artificial fats we have become dependant upon by or very lax food industry, especialy margrines.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Mac Journal 05-04-2009 to 31-05- 2009
PostPosted: Mon Jun 01, 2009 12:20 pm 
Offline
Colonel Snorer

Joined: Sun Nov 06, 2005 9:56 am
Posts: 346
Location: West Yorkshire
Leng, regarding what you said about Atkins on your next but latest posting on this thread, Atkins was seventy two and a half years of age when he died not sixty three as you stated. The media tried to make him sound overweight, but this was his body retaining water because of the blow to his head and subsequent brain damage due to the impact of his fall on the ice..........this link gives IMO a more accurate account, if you are interested
http://lowcarbdiets.about.com/od/atkins ... sdeath.htm

They tested the Atkins diet on BBC "Horizon" once and proved that it DID work...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/horizon/2004/atkins.shtml

They will still be arguing about this in 20 years time, in my view :lol: Ken


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Mac Journal 05-04-2009 to 31-05- 2009
PostPosted: Mon Jun 01, 2009 8:54 pm 
Offline
Major General Snorer

Joined: Sun Nov 23, 2008 12:15 pm
Posts: 999
ken re atkins diet

I admit I made a bloomer suggesting is age at death, but from a professional perspective I am not a big believer of his approach, firstly I know from many medical professionals and research that most of his research work was short term, showing peoples weight loss was more affective when compared to other methods but on a longer term it soon tailored off, and within 5 years became the same. Also we may need to balance that against damage it had on our bodies health, as well proven research does suggest a balanced diet is necessary to prevent such issues of ketenossis along with electrolyte changes that increases the risk of kidney failure or other complications developing.

Also from my biochemistry understanding of our bodies, any left over proteins it cannot use, it converts into fat anyway, so unless adding that with some understanding of amount each individual needs in their daily life style, it probably would not be proven, also most of his research was via promoting his apparoach via a controlled short term clincal setting
on celebrities, with no mention of their longer term health at a follow up.

In my professional days I well remember the worry the nhs had witnessing an upturn of peoples electrolyte levels with apparantly no reason until after questing and identifying the link to diets was found. In my health days, work load increased 2 fold, as we were the only broad sector of society doing random blood tests for electrolyte and liver, kidney function tests to monitor the persons ability to manage medications side effects.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Mac Journal 05-04-2009 to 31-05- 2009
PostPosted: Tue Jun 02, 2009 8:11 pm 
Offline
Major General Snorer

Joined: Sun Nov 23, 2008 12:15 pm
Posts: 999
mac

To be honest I am also not a diet man, I was first criticised as over weight in 1964 and maitained a healthy and active life style untill OSA, although now I seem to have tried extra hard to get back into the regeme.

If I was to be honest and speak from my 30 plus years nursing experience, there is very liitle long term research that diets alonw ork, I also have a thought athat once you indicate to your body you are going to diet, it will over compensate and put weight back on to protect itself.

I have been a big believer in a cognitive behavioural approach, eat less increase exercise, and manage the binge/craze for fatty and bady foods/snacks. But always be willing to show respect for your body, and treat it everynow and again. But remember muscle weighs more than fat so often weight loss may not be evident, although you feel lighter.

In the last 6 months have lost at least 7 kgm.s I have not dieted, and never starved myself, but consciously tried to look at what I eat and when, along side of slowly increasing my energy limits by doing more and slowly increasing the limit every fortnight or so. I still have a drink, and eat sweets etc, but definatly not as many as I used to.

I absalutely hate people suggesting I am fat and thinking I am lazy, as I suggested some time back, when running marathons, bet I had a better cardiovascular system than theirs, and on one occassion my old GP fondly replied with a big yes, although 7 years later I was diagnosed with OSA.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Mac Journal 05-04-2009 to June 2009
PostPosted: Fri Jun 05, 2009 3:57 pm 
Offline
Major General Snorer

Joined: Sun Nov 23, 2008 12:15 pm
Posts: 999
Hi mac

You must have been dreaming about posting last night, but regarding getting better with air being forced into your lungs all night would be correct, even if only from your blood gas levels being higher, therefore your heart and lungs will no longer be working as hard to lift the levels up again.

One of the peculiarities of how we breath, our brain only measures the amount of co2 in our blood, not o2, then sending automatic sences through our nerves telling our body to breath faster, faster we breath in normal terms the increase the o2 levels, but most humans now a days with our developed sedatory life styles, no longer use all our lungs, as such we often tend to shallow breath. In our case using CPAP, this has been removed, therefore our lungs are automaticaly forced to breath fully.

This is probably one of the reasons why you had difficuilies in getting attached to cpap, and with your lungs opening fully by use of cpap, it caused some copd problems to arise, lets hope for sake those days are over.
8)


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Mac Journal 05-04-2009 to June 2009
PostPosted: Sat Jun 06, 2009 8:45 am 
Offline
Major General Snorer

Joined: Sun Nov 23, 2008 12:15 pm
Posts: 999
When working, and doing my training, I had loads of teachers, and something that stuck in my mind "would teach, but no good in practice" So when I got into the position of teaching or any of the educational roles either patient or for student nurses etc, I used to think what I enjoyed, and then looked at pet hates and fears. If we do not like something, or fear of hurting self or others, we would automaticaly not want to learn. Hence denial is a big problem with development of all conditions not just loss, we infact will deny for anything that may make us feel guilty, lets face it we are encouraged to do it by our financial institutions deny responsibility.

Often at school I never understood the simple reasons behind many peculiarities in life, I also believed even with the most complex issues there would be a very simple explanation to health problems, yet never given, hence most of my writings, such as grief, and in total 20 plus on various subjects, I did so as the client and carers could understand what was being achieved. After all if we do not know where we are going, or how we are to get their, we will be frightened, as such that in itself is a reason not to go. Other wise complete failure for all, in psychiatry we often found the reason for not changing would often be due to poor explanation of what was expected.

When I was doing any cognitive work with clients, I had to make a special attention to relatives, as if they are not on board, they could only too often sabotage what I was trying to achieve. Ironic my first teaching roles in community, was trying to teach relaxation therapy and breathing exercises, so as to lower dependancy on medication just to lower blood pressure, yet basic physical teaching could take upto 100 hours to fully achieve, needless to say a very expensive option. So my writings were used, as a way to reduce the amount of physical time. I then looked at other ways to teach a better practice of breathing, and found swimming, especialy diving, would do more than I could achieve in months.

In your case, of getting attached to cpap, and managing copd, there are very many similarities to panic style breathing which often is very short and using only the upper lobes of the lungs, especialy if lower loabs are loaded with fluid, as most surely the case with copd and sadly dare I mention smoking.

I have never been a person to turn over to die if something crops up, in your case, I believe if you become more aware of limitations of copd has on your good health, you will learn not to expect too much too fast, and give yourself more time to achieve your personal aim. in our case getting attached to cpap, and managing our drowsiness.

I am sure every doctor would also say we have to start at the beginning of any journey, but for some of us the bginning of that journey with health problems, are never where we want it to be or the same as the next person. In your case keep smilling, and remember each day is just another day to find a small achievement, or to rest from the last one before we turn that next bend, but do not think as everybody else is racing around I am lazy. Instead remember cars have breaks and health is often just the breaking system for us mear humans, so you have applied your breaks to look around and witness what is going on around yourself.
:lol:


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Mac Journal 05-04-2009 to June 2009
PostPosted: Mon Jun 08, 2009 8:39 am 
Offline
Major General Snorer

Joined: Sun Nov 23, 2008 12:15 pm
Posts: 999
Mac

Keep persevering, do not set your targets too high, I set my target at about 1 to 2 lbs per month, as I firmly believe our bodies can overcompensate it it feels we are going into a famine mode. Your copd will also need extra protein to make new cells that are being damaged along side of what you make with exercise, also it will vary greatly due to fluid retention, so do not worry about it. I use to glance at mine about monthly and often found it went down over a 3 month period.

Remember muscle is far more dense than fat, the toneing of our muscles, will make that happen initially and often when we first get attached to cpap, we do put weight on. I note Boots now do a slimming pill over the counter, I was on Lecithin for first 3 months to aid in my kick starting of my newer healthy regieme, it was supposed to assist in binding that fats before digestion, so to aid them pass through our bodies.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Mac Journal 05-04-2009 to June 2009
PostPosted: Mon Jun 08, 2009 9:23 pm 
Offline
Major General Snorer

Joined: Sun Nov 23, 2008 12:15 pm
Posts: 999
Mac to be honest no I do not think it did much, with regards to weight loss, but from a psychie mind over matter perspective, probably it aided me to believe I was doing something, I am still changing shape, and slowly lossing weight, my stomach and spare flab is well reduced and feel lighter and lots more energetic, which now spurs me on, at present have set myself a task for a year to manitain this so called healthy regeme.

But history suggests I have been here before, so not completely sold on it, after all 12 years ago I was running marathons, and when very fit was never much less that 13 and half stones at my peak, although now I am just 2 stone more.

I vowed never to use the word diet, and a pet hate is being lectured to by stick insects that are deluded to be very healthy due to them being thin, after all when nursing, it was only too often the thin that was the most ill.

I also believe probably the healthiest life style is the mediteranean using red wine olive oil, and loads of garlic in our diets, and life a more leasurely life style and the benefits of the so called free radicals. Keep it up with cpap, and yes well I remember my shift days, could never go back to them again, with a belief they compunded to my problems today if we take into consideration length of time to eat meals and no set time of eating, always feeling tired and using energy foods just to keep awake.

Yuk rather you than me.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Mac Journal 05-04-2009 to June 2009
PostPosted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 8:59 pm 
Offline
Major General Snorer

Joined: Sun Nov 23, 2008 12:15 pm
Posts: 999
To think you ended up going back to your apprenticeship company just shows how good the company is. My origins were in agricultural mechanics doing my city & guilds, but by 1972 was bored, fed up with how I was being treated, and looked for new pastures, although in 1973 I was approached by friends of the family also gentleman farmers that he and his brother was willing to take me on as their own private mechanic and I could have my own work shop & money no problem, they had over 1000 acres between them and a very upto date mechanisation attitude to farming. Thinking back they were visionaries in not having to employ other companies for servicing costs alone. They also knew I had a good agricultural background, and was at quite at home sat behind anything with a steering wheel.

Unfortunately my father had a parkinsonian tremor and no one in the family knew it would turn out to be hereditary, so by 2002 I had to look at the prospect off retiring with ill health, as by then it was becoming very evident I was putting myself and others at risk when practicing close intricate clinical work, that I could not delegate, but was never a person to that anyway.

Ironic that OSA also has a genetic link that is affected by myeline sheet damage, in laymans terms (insulation around our nerve fibres). But as I said before never been a person to give up, so just keep trying to make something of a bad job attitude is me.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Mac Journal 05-04-2009 to June 2009
PostPosted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 8:30 am 
Offline
Major General Snorer

Joined: Sun Nov 23, 2008 12:15 pm
Posts: 999
mac
Re tremor NO it does not conform to most drugs, although Mirtazepam does give some benefits with reducing quantity, unfortunately I had to come off it as it was being too sedatory for me, and affecting my cardiovascular system too much ironic that has also been used in past to aid OSA. I also tried a beta blocker, Propanalol, but it gave me bronchial spasms so again had to come off. The biggest problems for me is the shake on my hands, it also makes my jaw and head quiver, along with lower limbs if I get stressed. Ironic Alcohol in small quantities does help, so when going out I tend to have a glass so not to be embarassed to much by it.

My condition is called Benign Familial Tremor and can be noticed by the parkinsonian tremor in limbs, probably why it was wrongly diagnosed for years. There are also several others localy with OSA also has this condition. I was peed off with it in the begining, now resigned to it at least got my financial security sorted due to it, although it still was not serious enough for dla, as the dss medics pointed out you can turn a page of a book over so not too dissabled, and still able to walk unaided, and able to verbaly ask for help, or cope when things go wrong.

I am a big believer in developmental theories, and having several other problems may well be norm and often linked to one condition/cause we do not fully understand. OSA although reasonably recent to adult health, the syndrom is also known to affect babes and probably why it has gained so much popularity due to the drastic affects of such things as cot death syndrome, when working we also often had to cope with deaths and although they all were well researched adult death syndrom was often used to cover the many unknown reasons for a persons demise.

Man and medical science has improved greatly last 10 years, but we still are unable to read all our genetic coding along with dna markers, probably we still have along way to go to know the answer, also with how the health care is developing across the world there is little motivation to look closer closer at family histories.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Mac Journal 05-04-2009 to June 2009
PostPosted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 8:28 am 
Offline
Major General Snorer

Joined: Sun Nov 23, 2008 12:15 pm
Posts: 999
Mac Coping with any medical condition can be very stressfull no matter who, probably more to do with not knowing what our future is? or how long it will be? I also believe society has a love hate relationship with health care, whilst all is ok, not a bother about maintaining good health, definately politics have, probably motivated by money, and has little time for the unkown. If they go head over heals, it will almost surely be either WHO or UN reports to improve certain areas, like Pulmonary, Heart, Cancer, now of course we have Flu. That alone leaves the indavidual in a quandry, of what about me? and in no other position, other than follow the same path as all others, and try and find methods to deal with the symptoms. Our medical faternity well knows this, but they also often feel useless if not able to give help, that is most often in a pill.

Yet When working I often had to support people with enduring health problems either not having a known future, even sad like demise, but when coping with longer term health managemant, especialy with more severe cases like your goodself, you probably need to look at here and now, and not think of tomorrow, although our fiscal agencies will encourage it. Probably why Blair put suggestive words like empowerment and inclusion into the health professionals dictionaries. Unfortunatly change does not happen over night, political change will often take a decade or more, yet health change alone will often take 2 years to show if it has worked. Probably why so little rersearch shows long term effectiveness, other than the pill giving a biological change that the body has no choice but to follow, unfortunatly the side effects or other complications have then to be taken into consideration.

I firmly believe we never know what our future will give, or why it happens, but if their is a reason, we may not be included in that decission making process, I read recently those men who mist the air france flight that crashed in the atlantic later died in a car crash, We probably can ask was it meant to happen, as although they out lived one risk, another got them.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Mac Journal 05-04-2009 to June 2009
PostPosted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 1:48 pm 
Offline
Major General Snorer

Joined: Sun Nov 23, 2008 12:15 pm
Posts: 999
mac nice to hear you are experiencing all the benefits to an improved sleep pattern energy up, motivation up, what next we wonder?

I note your remark about lowering of our metabolic rate, unfortuntaly I think that issue has been proved we all have a similar metabolic rate, but some people due to there physical and genetic make up do not store fat as others do. I also am not totaly of a belief that cpap aids weight gain, but what could happen our body takes time to record the physical changes, along side of our prolonged sedatory lifestyle we develop due to fatigue etc.

Ironic
I had to spend 6 hours in the local A&E department with my wife who had a Anaphylatic reaction to a pain killer, and all over the resus room wall was signs to be aware of cpap peculiarities, never did ask what they meant.

I hope your positive days remain, and your energy levels remain on a upward movement. Booked your europe vacation yet?


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 121 posts ]  Page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 ... 9  Next

All times are UTC [ DST ]


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB © 2002, 2006 phpBB Group
[ Time : 0.084s | 14 Queries | GZIP : Off ]